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How Metal Became Feminine (19:50) ~ Occulturation(www.youtube.com)
7 commentsbyJasonCarswell
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[-]LarrySwinger1(+1|0)

I haven't listened to new releases in 15 years so I didn't notice any shift but surely there's gotta be plenty of manly new stuff. When I go to a random concert given by locals, it's manly to the point of pretentiousness, nothing has changed in that aspect. The volume is simply bigger. You can find anything you like and then hyperfocus on it simply because there's more stuff out there. At least, I suspect that's what he's doing. Even among normie stuff there's gotta be manly stuff. Also I feel like the title promised an explanation of why this shift has happened (assuming that it did) because how and why are practically synonymous but there's no real analysis. A good watch nonetheless I don't reflect enough on music.

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[-]x0x71(+1|0)

It's interesting his take on metal snobs wanting everything to be more extreme. Maybe I'm in a third position but I don't think it's that uncommon. I am a metal snob and will turn my nose up at quite a lot of it. But for me it's not is it masculine or extreme or edgy enough. It's is it actually good musically. See, I don't actually want to listen to metal to listen to metal. I want to listen to music. But metal has the expressive range needed to make the best music.

So I don't care how masculine or extreme or not extreme or feminine or funny or satirical something is. Are then note good? Did they write something musically interesting? Though if all you care about is being extreme then you don't care about music so you are going to make shitty music. But some of the music on the other side that he says people turn their noses up at for not being "good metal" because they aren't hard enough, actually people turn their noses up because it's shitty music. Cradle of Filth is actual shit. It's "The Room" of music. It uses techno in metal (which is possible) but then chooses to use the shittiest techno possible. Anyone who published it and thought, yeah, this is good music has to have borderline personality disorder.

Funniest moment in the whole video was when he said listening to Avenged Sevenfold makes you hard. Holy shit this zoomer faggot. I hate to be what he called out. There is nothing wrong with liking Avenged Sevenfold (actually there is a bit), but there is something very wrong with thinking you are a hard mfer for listening to it. I'm not going to judge people for their music tastes (maybe just a bit), but liking avenged sevenfold makes you a pussy bitch emo with a micro penis. And you can be an emo. But the more you think listening to it makes you hard the more what I said is true.

So recap. Music that is good. Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Tool, Tesseract, System of a Down, Metallica, Black Sabbath, Dream Theater, Nothing More. Music that is bad. Cradle of Filth, Pantera, Musaga, Black Veil Brides. Music that is kind of ok (would be a huge list, huge). Music that is kind of bad but isn't that bad. Nightwish, Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet for my Valentine, a lot of melodic metal (not because melodic metal is bad, great concept, but most bands that choose to join the space just don't fully execute on making good music).

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[-]soundsituation1(+1|0)

But metal has the expressive range needed to make the best music.

Do you like jazz or classical?

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[-]x0x70(0|0)

Not that much but I do like jazz and classical in my metal. If the classical has cello it's pretty good. I love me some cello.

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[-]soundsituation1(+1|0)

If you ever get curious about classical you might like Baroque composers; maybe the Bach cello suites.

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[-]x0x71(+1|0)

Yep. I'm into it. Almost anything with cello is good.

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[-]LarrySwinger0(0|0)

Fully agree on Cradle of Filth and Avenged Sevenfold it's noise that hurts my ears. From your list I'd move Pantera, Nightwish and BfmV to good. I didn't see Lacuna Coil on your list, that's good too as well as Epica. Idk if you wanna cover every band he sampled from. But one that stands out is Sir Lord Baltimore (Woman is a Hell-hound was the sample). That belongs on the great music list too, I'm glad he included that.

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