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RapesOfGraft - - (+4|-0)
The government says money isn’t property—so it can take yours(reason.com)
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[-]LarrySwinger2(+2|0)

Time to stop using money then.

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[-]JasonCarswell1(+1|0)

This is the onramp to the slippery slope of death by a thousand taxes.

Unrelated, I don't see any point in bothering to continue to post when the asstroll(s) continue to maliciously downvote perfectly fine posts. My post whenevers backlog may or may not provide value.

For whatever it's worth, Ultrix showed that he was one of the less-than-dozen regular SaidIt chat users a couple years ago, now by a different alias.

This is as good as any time to step away from social media to focus on productive projects. Let me know if you need any help with anything, a new logo, design work, whatever. Maybe we can start some project-oriented threads. Like "A.I. for Newbs" or whatever.

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[-]x0x72(+2|0)

It's funny because durring the litigation that followed "The Affordable Care Act" the ability for the government to fee you for failing to do something was challenged. It was said to be a seizure of property without due process. But the Bell Grande Court Supreme said that it's ok because it can be called a tax. But if it was a proper view that money isn't property and the government can take it at whim why did they need that mental gymnastic and required the IRS to add it to the tax code after that decision?

But my other point in that is that taxation was already considered the exception to the due process requirement.

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[-]Tom_Bombadil0(0|0)

A lien is a claim or legal right to a debtor's property or other assets, typically assets that were used as collateral to back a loan. It serves to guarantee that the underlying obligation will be satisfied. If not, the creditor can seize and sell the assets in question. Liens can also be established through court judgments and by government entities for reasons such as unpaid taxes.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/lien.asp

Consider a circumstance where an individual citizen owes income taxes, but rents an apartment and owns no actual property.

By definition: A lien is a claim or legal right to a debtor's property...

Q: So if the citizen owns no property, then what property is the lien being placed upon?

A: The lien is placed upon the individual citizen, as the citizen is the property of the United States govt; and the IRS is collecting on a debt owed by the United States govt.

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[-]Tom_Bombadil1(+1|0)

The legal reality is citizens are property of the US govt, and property cannot own property.

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[-]JasonCarswell1(+1|0)

Legal = unlawful.

Patents are criminal too. People willingly injected patented property and DNA manipulation material into themselves - and many say they are now property.

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[-]Ultrix0(0|0)

Come on Jason, I am not a bad guy at all... Running away from decent people... What does that say about you?

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[-]JasonCarswell2(+2|0)

Is that what you say to your wife after you abuse her?

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[-]Ultrix0(0|0)

Getting upvoted doesn't make you right. I'll have you know that I have nothing to do with all them downvotes, and your gratuitous attacks on my character say more about yours than about mine. And about those who upvoted said attack.

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[-]x0x71(+1|0)

Quick, let's all take the government's money and it won't be theft of government property.

Edit: Now I'm thinking I should have gone with TheWrapesOfGraft. The the makes the intent more clear. The W makes it more obvious that we're just swapping the W and the G, and we still get an r sound. Though really it should be TheWrapesOfGrath.

The funny thing is that title fits the content of the film a lot better. There was not a single grape in 2h20m.

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